Probing Islam 1
Islam, the Pope, Christianity, terrorism, violence
 
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*These pages state briefly a range of comments and statements which have been made

See also Probing Islam Pt 2 & Probing Islam Pt 3

 

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The Pope, Benedict XVI, sincerely regrets that certain passages could have sounded offensive to the sensitivities of the Muslim faithful.

Both Christianity and Islam aspire to the Divine. There is no cause for the spiritual to be irrational.

Both religions call for forgiveness, love and brotherhood.

It is to this great logos, the Word, to this breadth of reason, that Christians invite our partners in this Dialogue of cultures.

Both the West and Islam must recognise and overcome their demons, then will begin the true dialogue to benefit both.

The response to terrorism is not robust. Respectable Muslims saying “violence is not the Islamic ideal” when violence has become Islamic practice (to hundreds).

So what’s the solution? Peace through strength squared! Weakness and concessions embolden aggressors. Every show of strength pushes back jihad.

Muslims must find positive role models rather than jihadists. Martyrs feed on the self-esteem crisis of young Muslims. Positive history lessons could praise Muslims.

On confrontation, how can the rancour be ended between Israeli-Arabs? Half people in the Middle East are under 18, said King Abdullah of Jordan, so Education must be used to open minds to consider the suffering.

Between Islam and Christianity, dialogue is difficult but necessary but we can help by not equating Islam with the evil done in the name of Islam.

Ecumenical dialogue must focus on points in common rather than difference.

Western leaders try to take account of sensitivities of Islamic believers. We are entitled from Muslim leaders to reciprocal sensitivity of our culture.

The ideal of Islam should not be allowed to obscure the Islam of historical and contemporary fact.

As a Muslim, I accept criticism of how Islam is practised by some Muslims today – but it criticism should be with care and stand up to scrutiny.

Holy wars and spreading the word by the sword - was the Byzantine Empire, occupying foreign land, established and maintained through love and consensus?

In Christ’s words, Christianity distinguished between that which is Caesar’s and that which is God’s.

Muslims must ask themselves what they can do for humankind before demanding humankind respect them.

As a Muslim living in the West, I have non-Muslim friends, work with non-Muslims and we get along just fine. They know everything on the media isn’t true. They are educated, and know human prejudice gets us nowhere.

Christians are not allowed to worship in Saudi Arabia.

Muslims, show us that you and your children are integrating into our society where you claim you wish to live.

We (In Britain) may decide to abandon or replace these (Christian) foundations and we may one day give Islam or other faith, equal status with Christianity.

Let UK public authority be careful not to assume Christianity has been disestablished on our soil, or that Islam has been established on our soil.

Muslim community leaders (in UK) can say all they want about Islam being for peace, but it is clear that not all Muslims see it like that.

For a long while now, they (Muslim extremists in UK) have spread resentment and rage among their people. We have lacked will, self-preservation to resist it.

Current attempts to stamp our the evil of terrorism is naïve.

“We need to sit together – Muslims, Christians, Jews and the rest of religions, to find common ground for peaceful co-existence,” the Iraqi Ambassador said.

Muslims must come to terms with the fact that much of the trouble lies within their own communities, a tiny festering sore of fanatics.

The right to freedom of speech is the right to express one’s ideas in written, spoken or artistic form without danger or coercion or suppression.

If Muslims want religious freedom in the West, Christians should have equal right to follow their faith, in Islamic states, without persecution.

In the Koran it states that God will not change the good condition of the people as long as they do not change their state of goodness themselves.

Taking offence, and any excuse real or imagined will do it, is a blackmail strategy.

The growing use of claimed offence to suppress legitimate debate is deplorable.

One side has tacit permission to be as venomous and inflammatory as it pleases while the other must continually genuflect apologetically.

A devout Muslim living in the West must aspire to live under sharia law.

If a discussion or a dialogue can be only on your terms, then there’s little hope of it being useful.

The primary aim of Christian-Muslim discussion is to avoid conflict.

Islam unlike Christianity makes no distinction between sacred and secular.

The Koran is a total religious law which regulates the whole of political and social life.

A multi-faith society is not consistent with Islam’s inner nature.

Let us argue against the idea that violence can be justified in any religion.

Violence is incompatible with the nature of God and the nature of the soul.

When we wake up we think about improving life and what can be built; Bin Laden awakes thinking of slaughter and what can be destroyed..

While the Pope rejects the simplistic notion that Islam is evil, he is convinced that some of its doctrines are morally indefensible.

The Pope’s view is that a profound ambiguity about violence lies at the heart of Islam.

In Darfur is a Muslim massacre of other Muslims. Why aren’t there demonstrations about that in the Muslim world?

The Pope emphasises that the Islamic understanding of God is radically different from that of Christians.

The Islamic idea of God is so transcendent that He cannot be seen in terms of human reason.

The Christian way is to look at this through faith and reason.

One Muslim theologian points out other schools of Muslim thought say differently (Indian Sanskrit speaks of an unapproachable, ineffable nirguna Brahman and the saguna Brahman which has qualities humans can relate to.)

The Pope’s remarks were at best ill-timed and unhelpful. But the response, seeking to silence all criticism absolutely?

Islam could instead have met the Pope’s comments with measured, reasoned debate?

The Pope allegedly linked Islam with violence and the burning of his effigy followed…..

How can Western leaders square (in the current period) the spreading democracy by force with the religion they profess to follow?

The statement the Pope used was from six centuries ago – the institution of the papacy still functions as though it were the 14th century too.

When Christians in history defended their faith and values by violence, they behaved contrary to the spirit of their founder - I’m not sure Muslims’ actions are un-Islamic?

The RC Archbishop of Southwark said the Pope should not apologise for criticising the idea that you can be violent in the name of God.

Nazi policy was not one of prejudice and so on, but of total annihilation of an entire population in Europe.

Not one Jew sought in the name of Judaism to blow themselves up in public places to kill fellow-citizens, destroy the very fabric of societies in which they lived, overthrow governments (St David’s Hotel, Jerusalem 1948?)

Violent protesters, insulted that Islam was called a violent faith, failed to grasp that their own actions were graphically proving that very point.

Christianity also spread itself by the sword before the Reformation ended its own religious wars.

Too many extremists are ready to over-interpret any comment or perceived slight, and reaction is magnified by Internet technology.

Those looking for offence will never be easily appeased.

Christianity and Islam have rarely sat easily together but tolerance must not be (allowed to be) deliberately destroyed by the intolerant.

Talk of the impossibility of integration is pushing Muslims to the margins of society.

One Muslim scholar, in the UK, says he is “trying to build bridges between two worlds that don’t know each other very well.”

 
Islam, the Pope, Christianity, terrorism, violence

If legal systems contained ‘embedded’ milder versions of Sharia, as English common law, Christian enlightenment is in ours, there might be no problem.

Western Muslim leaders can help de-glamorise terrorists while squarely owning up that most of the Muslim world’s problems are its own fault.

After knowing him for ten years, I can say my Muslim friend is the singularly most decent, honest and kindest person I know.

Muslim clerics should issue ‘opinion’ calling terrorists and sympathisers ‘heretics’ while unequivocally condemning the sin of ‘suicide bombers’.

What makes this country, the UK, so attractive for those (hundreds of thousands) of people who traverse continents to live here?

No matter how awful Islam is, we in the West must come back to Christian roots, procreate more and realise military power is nothing.

Our strategy must be capable of ensuring the Enlightenment Ideals that are part of the West must not be lost, a vision of hope and progress.

We must dispel the many myths and accurately understand what radicalises the jihadis, to slowly counter their influence and drain the swamp in which they flourish.

Milder versions of Sharia law are currently overshadowed by the dominant Salafist / Wahhabi inspired version in the Middle East. Those who have legitimised it (oil money, politics) are to blame.

Reform is a process, it won’t happen overnight: (by the way, viewer and reader - editor) How much influence do you have with the Pope ?

That outsiders can reform another religion is absurd. If there are genuine Islamist, Muslim reformers, I truly wish them the best.

There are no obstacles to Islamic reform, Islam is fragmented, some strains fine, others problematic, the Taliban objectionable. We should concentrate on political and military control, which can be effective.

‘We can aid progressives and reformers by acknowledging their validity’ (but without persuading them that they must be like us). Exactly how?

Appeasement is another word for us helping Islam reform itself, us waiting around for a couple of decades.

 
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